tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-26666124.post8566339492150208370..comments2024-03-18T03:28:36.581-04:00Comments on Shrink Rap: Those Lying PsychiatristsUnknownnoreply@blogger.comBlogger15125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-26666124.post-22407188602108343592017-12-29T13:33:46.569-05:002017-12-29T13:33:46.569-05:00I have considerable experience of uncaring, greedy...I have considerable experience of uncaring, greedy psychiatrists falsifying my records, listing my lifetime career achievements as "probable delusions" and "grandiose", grossly misrepresenting what I say in my permanent health records, consultations with known evil-spirited relatives as "proof" of my insanity, invasions of privacy at home and via camera surveillance, ignoring HIPAA, distortions and lies regarding my behavior. Their disrespect for transparent truth and fact-based predictions leads me to say that psychiatry ranks just below alchemy, not science, in its veracity, even in the first step: diagnosis. <br />Only alchemists do less harm!Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-26666124.post-61498848797711683762013-12-29T19:50:12.378-05:002013-12-29T19:50:12.378-05:00How do I count the ways? Well, when you have a pr...How do I count the ways? Well, when you have a profession that officially believes in no notable ethics of any kind, then lies are fine. E. Fuller Torrey acknowledges the lying yet contends this is necessary and beneficial. Falsify records? Check. Engage in hyperbole of patients for insurance purposes? Check. Destroy the patients' lives with labels? Double and Triple Check. Ignore state mental health laws in involuntary commitments? Check. Ignore the Constitution and due process in such processes for all patients? Check. Dr. Szasz had it right:words from Psychiatrists might as well be "blackjacks", because the patient is always harmed by a profession based on false premises, insufficient sience, and inappropriately uses language analogous to medical problems but these do not represent medical problems. The biggest medical problem is Psychiatrists. Period.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-26666124.post-85443463379249628292013-12-06T14:50:04.846-05:002013-12-06T14:50:04.846-05:00Psychiatrist are extreme liars. It is very concern...Psychiatrist are extreme liars. It is very concerning when those who the mentally unstable is the most unstable of all. They lie on peoples records to involuntary commit them into hospitals. They state things that are so far from the actual truth. Everything must be quite surreal for those who are already dealing with mental disease. It is very improper for a patient to be abuse mentally under the care of his/her doctor who is professing to be giving him care. They are the most unintelligent group due to their repetitive questioning and lies conceive. There is not much to psychology but patients being led to trust in those who do not care one bit about their care. I am even shock by what psychiatry call therapy. It's unbelievable. They do nothing, absolutely nothing but prescribe pills.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-26666124.post-31596587067492439692012-07-17T20:07:58.866-04:002012-07-17T20:07:58.866-04:00I had a psychiatrist tell me that I would have to ...I had a psychiatrist tell me that I would have to take medication for the rest of my life, that ECT was the only option left for me, etc. While I wouldn't characterize the physician as a liar, I don't think those kinds of dire predictions were helpful and in fact only left me feeling more hopeless and despondent. Well intentioned, perhaps, but helpful? No. I don't see that psychiatrist any more because I don't care for that kind of approach.<br /><br />Unlike my previous psychiatrist, the psychiatrist I have now is not paternalistic and has made no dire predictions that my life will be over if I don't do what he recommends, that I require ECT to survive another day, or that I must be on meds for the rest of my life. He offers me his opinion, I share any thoughts or concerns I have, and we work together. Many times I decide the risk/benefits are worth what he recommends, sometimes I decide they're not - my choice. This is also the type of relationship I have with my PCP and other physicians I work with, as well. I don't expect physicians to know everything, and I'm most appreciative that most physicians I've worked with don't pretend to.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-26666124.post-6653872188523198142012-07-15T18:22:09.499-04:002012-07-15T18:22:09.499-04:00Precisely the reason why, as a psychiatrist, I nev...Precisely the reason why, as a psychiatrist, I never say to a patient: "you NEED to stay on this medication for the rest of your life." That statement is scientifically unsupportable and I can't back it up. <br /><br />I have said the words: "your illness is believed to be chronic and, if you stop treatment, it is my expectation you will suffer a relapse, which will likely be even harder to treat. So I strongly recommend you continue treatment indefinitely."<br /><br />THAT is a statement I can back up.Williamhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03912133587868824797noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-26666124.post-53060136842604538122012-07-15T18:21:34.350-04:002012-07-15T18:21:34.350-04:00This comment has been removed by the author.Williamhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03912133587868824797noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-26666124.post-30177357321193867212012-07-15T14:59:35.744-04:002012-07-15T14:59:35.744-04:00...and I just realized I posted that comment under......and I just realized I posted that comment under the wrong article. Oops. Oh well.Janehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06030949818467743750noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-26666124.post-29652813178762738662012-07-15T14:58:07.278-04:002012-07-15T14:58:07.278-04:00I read your racket article and I would think that ...I read your racket article and I would think that prescribing psych meds in primary care is even more of a racket. They don't offer anymore than psychiatrists and probably even offer less in a lot of cases.<br /><br />Quick story: Asked the new primary care doc during a visit if he manages psych meds. He said yes. I think to myself that I can eventually come down and ask him to manage my meds. Fast forward to a meeting I have with his NP.They will manage meds, BUT THEY WON'T DO MED CHANGES???!!!<br /><br />Okay, honestly...if you don't do med changes...that means you don't manage psych meds. At least that is what that means in my mind.<br /><br />I don't even know why someone would manage meds if he or she didn't feel comfortable doing a med change. I could see a lot of things going wrong with that quickly.Janehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06030949818467743750noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-26666124.post-16299432938171460192012-07-15T07:46:02.029-04:002012-07-15T07:46:02.029-04:00Here is some help for doctors in deciding when to ...Here is some help for doctors in deciding when to lie. <br />For what it is worth, lying is deception "for some motive" even if the doctor is not receiving a financial kickback.Sometimes the doc just does not want or know how to deal with the patient, so they lie. To speak of lying with deceptive motive is redundant. Lying is deception. You can choose when or if you believe deceiving a patient is something you want to do. If, for example, you believe that telling the patient they need Med X forever will result in higher compliance, you may choose to lie. As you have read, the patient, may choose whether or not to believe your lie (it is a lie if you do tell someone you know something with a certainty that you cannot possess). Should the patient choose not to believe your lie and at the same time understand that he or she is being deceived or manipulated, they will often make the choice to lie to you.<br /><br />I felt it best to lie to my spouse about an affair. It would only have hurt my spouse. I did my spouse a favor by protecting their feelings. I am so thoughtfulAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-26666124.post-34699089716979947602012-07-15T03:23:39.625-04:002012-07-15T03:23:39.625-04:00I think it would be odd to categorize all Psychiat...I think it would be odd to categorize <i>all</i> Psychiatrists as liars in any situation. Of course, there are many Psychiatrists who lie - and they are really bad! But I agree, and hope, that most Dr's are not liars and have their patient's best interest & health in mind.<br /><br />On a slightly personal note, I am not a professional by any means and benefit much from the field, so I remain open to the support and growth offered by it. However, I also work very hard and pay lots, and lots, of money for healthcare. So I can understand, and tend to side with the patient's perspective. At least in private practices anyway - a reason why "lying" is a non-issue when it comes to my own mental healthcare.Steven C.noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-26666124.post-10845818184285767462012-07-14T23:40:27.150-04:002012-07-14T23:40:27.150-04:00George: Agreed.
Amy: Those are really good ways of...George: Agreed.<br />Amy: Those are really good ways of communicating. <br />Anon: I agree about 'good idea for now and let's reassess later' (my personal approach to most situations)--I still think that many docs who tell patients they need a medicine forever may saying it because they believe it's in the patient's best interest.<br />Last anon: Thanks for the link-- it's a good article.Dinahhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09227988351623862689noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-26666124.post-35294971928557153442012-07-14T23:05:01.872-04:002012-07-14T23:05:01.872-04:00http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC273603...http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2736034/<br /><br />Read it. Everybody lies.Admitting it is a good first step.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-26666124.post-36973358156583568742012-07-14T21:40:35.343-04:002012-07-14T21:40:35.343-04:00Doctors can be so very arrogant to the point that ...Doctors can be so very arrogant to the point that imho is not something they would say. They may lie about meds when in reality they ought to say it may be a good idea for now and let's reassess down the line. More often, shrinks lie about more than just meds. Yes, many of them are LIARS.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-26666124.post-14028067043652438652012-07-14T18:41:14.540-04:002012-07-14T18:41:14.540-04:00perhaps rather then taking the view that the solut...perhaps rather then taking the view that the solution is for patients to stop calling their psychiatrists <b><i>Liasr</i></b>, the effective response might be to train psychiatrists to add in a few words "I think" or "In my experience," or "It's impossible to know the future, but,"......<br /><br />Then again, that might risk those dear psychiatric egos, to speak to their patients as human beings, to acknowledge that yes, a lifetime on psychiatric drugs is scary and sad, even if a best bet. <br /><br />(disclaimer: I have been lucky to only ever have psychiatrists who did reply along those lines - It's impossible to know for sure, but... I think.... Because of x, y, and z it seems like.... so I am not taking opposition to shrinks in general, but your general tone and perspective.)Amynoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-26666124.post-49713866843369819032012-07-14T17:54:46.987-04:002012-07-14T17:54:46.987-04:00Great observations. Part of the problem is the wa...Great observations. Part of the problem is the way that medicine is politicized - largely to create a sensational atmosphere to to sell newspapers, books, TV time, etc. I think that is part of the reason why you hear about calcium and Vitamin D replacement right up to the point something else becomes fashionable. BTW - the Vitamin D problem is a classic example of how much we don't know. I have a very expensive two volume set of books on Vitamin D and there is still no consensus on what the daily requirement is. <br /><br />The other common rhetorical device is the myth of the ideal medication. You know - the one with no side effects or serious adverse effects. It seems that nobody stops for a moment to think that at a certain point in time most people (including psychiatrists) have to make a decision about whether to take a medication and whether it is worth the bother. Unless you are incredible lucky - it is all part of being human. There is nobody I have ever heard of who wants to take medication. The strongest endorsement I usually hear is: "What else are you going to do?".<br /><br />Psychiatrists can only advise people on their best recommendation. It is clear from the literature that many people choose not to accept that advice. I think it would be foolish to tell a person that they need to take a medication "for the rest of their life" because there is very little evidence that would occur.George Dawson, MD, DFAPAhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03474899831557543486noreply@blogger.com